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  •  04-10-2007, 10:45 AM 8496

    System Building Basic Guide - Building From Scratch

    Original Post I authored at BF2S.com

    If any of my funny asides are objectionable, please let me know.  I found if someone can remember the jokes, they're more likely to remember the example of how to get things working. 

    OK, after all the recent posts of, "I threw all this stuff in place, and my stuff don't work," I've decided to write a little DIY (Do-in-yourself) Trouble Shooting Guide for Home Builders.

    What qualifies me?

    I was a builder for Hewlett Packard for Custom Setups and Modifications.  I was also Lead Troubleshooter at HP for my shift. I also have an MCSA (Microsoft Certified System Administrator) for Windows Server 2003 and Microsoft Windows XP (All Flavors). So I know a little more than most.  And if I don't know, I've gotta read up just like anybody else. 

    Ok.

    So, you've got some new computer components you'd like to put together to play games, look at pr0n, get a mail order bride, look at fetish sites, and generally annoy people with mindless prattle. smile

    Yes you can throw all of your components into the case and turn it on and pray it works.  But this is a lot of time and headache if it doesn't.  So follow the steps below, take your time and you'll have a machine that works like a charm and it's easier to trouble shoot step by step.

    Also it's important to note: DO YOUR HOMEWORK ON YOUR COMPONENTS.
    Just because "The guy at the store said it should work," doesn't mean it will. 
    Check things out before, minimize headaches later.

    1.  SETUP YOUR WORKSPACE

    First off.  You would want a static free enviroment.  Not many of us have that.  So just do your best to not build it on the carpet, or in your socks.  Touch something metal that's grounded (like your old computer that's still running) to discharge static.  You don't actually hear the ZAP sound untill it's a significant ammount of energy capable of frying a motherboard. (HP/Compaq told me this, so I tell you).

    Now that everything is clean and hopefully most of it is in it's ANTI-STATIC packaging, we can start doing things bit by bit and get your computer working. Also using the ANTI-STATIC Mats in the Mobo Box help a lot too.  Just don't power up on the mat.  The back of the board may get hot enough under certain chipsets to melt it.  Don't ask me how I know this. 

    2. DECIDE ON TEST SETUP

    Now you have one of two choices.
    1.  Mount the motherboard in the case first.    
    2. Mount everything to it OUTSIDE the case (Processor, Memory, Graphics Card ONLY).

    In either case, find the mounting holes on the motherboard and how they match up to standoffs (Brass thingies with hex heads that screws can go in). Utilize as many of these as you can, fill the holes on the motherboard that won't have standoffs with plastic spacers.  You NEVER want your motherboard to touch the back side of the case. You could end up shorting across something and lose functionality.
    So use those spacers and standoffs! 

    I prefer to do my test setups outside of the case and leave the board on plastic spacers.

    3. MOUNTING YOUR PROCESSOR

    So first things first, mount the processor.
    Ok, now get your mind out of the gutter and pull your pants back up.  Your parents plan on eating on that table tonight.

    All processors have what they call ZIF Sockets with CAM LOCKS.
    ZIF = ZERO Insertion Force.  ZERO, ZIP, NADA, NOTHING.  NO FORCE.
    If it's being forced into place you're going to bend a processor pin or something worse.

    Just think of it as trying to put your fingers into someone elses mouth and they don't really want you to.
    Something's gonna get broken, and you'll be in trouble.

    Now, UP with the Cam Locks, there should be a little lever in either plastic, or metal on the side of the socket.
    Lift it into the UP position.  Some of these kind of stick.  USE YOUR FINGERS.  Don't use a screwdriver, butter knife, crowbar, razorblade or thumbtack to get this open if it sticks a little. Tension is GOOD.

    Now look at the socket.  Now look at the processor.  Look at the socket again.  Look at the processor again.
    By now I hope you've noticed the orientation of the socket, and the pins on the processor.  Usually they give you gold arrows to signify which corner is the one nearest the CAM PIVOT.   Long story short.  Open Cam, Match the Processor Pins with the open spaces in the socket, and let fall into place.  ZIF Remember?
    Close the Cam Lock.  Processor should be locked in place.  You could turn the board upside down and the processor should hold.  If not, check your steps.  If you did everything right, return the board for one with a better cam lock for the processor slot.

    Note:  Sometimes the processor requires A LITTLE tap to go in.  Tap like ashing a cigarette, not like starting a nail in a wall, or thumping a ripe mellon.

    4. MOUNTING YOUR HSF

    HSF? Heat Sink Fan.

    If you're going with the straight stock chip cooler, pull the protective cover OFF of your HSF and look at the bottom.  Now look at the processor socket.  Now...you're getting this now aren't you? 
    There's a little ridge that shows where it lines up against the cam.  Match it up.  Put the clips into place, lock down the tensioners and bingo you've got it.

    If you're going to do something a little more effective, and use an Aftermarket HSF.
    Same line up and lockdown process.  But prep is a different process. (See Addendum 1 Below)

    First get your thermal compound ready.  Now get an old card of some sort.  Expired MasterCard, Visa, Discover, Blockbuster, Gift Card, One Free Lap Dance at Mr. Stiffies, whatever.
    Make sure it's rigid and has some sort of sharp edge.  Now place your thermal compound of choice on top of the processor die. (If you're still using OLD SCHOOL Atholn XP with the tiny die, quit now smile )
    Not a lot.  Just enough for a super thin coat on top of the big silver part of the processor.  I'm talking like sheet of tissue paper thin.  Spread it evenly with the card. Now place your heatsink on it and lock it into place.  Don't move the HSF all over because that will smear everything into places you don't want it.

    If you really want to get spiffy (NOT FOR BEGINNERS) you can lap the die on the processor and the bottom of the heatsink to a mirror finish.  Then you geat really great thermal transfer.  I don't recommend this unless you really know what yer doing and have the cash to fix your mistakes.  It's basically Automotive Finish Sanding.

    5. INSERT YOUR MEMORY
    If you have a grab bag of memory you plan on using, use the lowest and slowest on your initial test setup.
    If you have 2 1GB matched sticks, only use half of it right now.

    First things first.  Move back the little locking switches on the memory slots.
    Now, make sure your memory is oriented the right way.  It's notched so it will only go in ONE WAY.
    Most everything on a computer is set up this way.  Why?  Because factory builders usually don't speak English as a first language, or speak English at all so it's all keyed and notched so stuff only works one way.
    Usually in a manufacturing plant, the dumbest people are the builders.  I kid you not.

    Push the memory in firmly until it clicks into place.  Do not "Juggernaut Crush" or "HULK SMASH" things into place.  Firm but gentle. 

    Pretty simple, not much to it.

    If you only use one stick at a time it's easy to see what works and what doesn't.

    6.MOUNTING YOUR VIDEO CARD
    OK.  The biggie.  This will display your validation to your monitor if you've put things together correctly at this point.  Some have little cam locks, some don't.  So put the card in the right way, and make sure it's seated correctly.

    Note: If the board is SLI Capable and you're NOT using two video cards, make sure your selector is set to single.  If it is SLI, test first, set the SLI up second.  Same thing with Crossfire.  Regular card first, Crossfire Card Second.

    7. PLUG IN THE PSU
    PSU = Power Source Unit.
    For all newer applications check that it says AT LEAST ATX Revision 2.0 and for BIG Video Cards AT LEAST a 400W Power Supply.

    Now plug in your motherboard and your video card.  Match up the plugs with the plugs on the board.  They are keyed AND notched to only fit one way and with a little pressure they should click right into place.
    I didn't say to turn it on yet. Plug it into the wall and flip the switch on your PSU if there is one.  ALSO if you're in the US make sure it's set to 115V and not 220V.

    8. RESET YOUR CMOS
    Why?  Just to be Safe.
    Sometimes these video cards won't jibe with what the CMOS may already have, or was previously set to.  So you may need an OLD PCI (NOT PCI-E or PCI-X Video Card).  They're available for CHEAP. 
    Set the reset jumper for a five count and move it back into place.

    9. ATTACH POWER AND PC SPEAKER
    For the testing purposes attach ONLY the Power and PC Speaker Leads to the Motherboard.
    The PC Speaker will let you listen for Beeps that can clue you in to error codes.
    Some don't do this, like ABIT, so plug your headphones into the back.

    10. NOW FOR THE MOMENT OF TRUTH!!!!
    Plug in the monitor. Plug in your keyboard.  You may have to go Old Style PS/2 on this as not ALL BIOS's recognize USB Keyboards out of the box. 

    Hold down the INSERT key and switch on the Power.  You should see your splash screen, or the POST Test.
    All fans should be spinning.  Let go of the Insert key if you see your splash screen or the POST test and go into your BIOS and start getting things set up. 

    If you hear POST Beeps, swap out memory AND try different memory slots, reset the CMOS again and repeat the last steps.

    11. IF IT STILL WON'T BOOT

    Try the boot with old school components Old PCI Vid Card, and see if that will get you to your BIOS.

    Another trick is to remove the video card and the memory and see if you get Beeps.

    If you DO, it's because your system is looking for memory it can't find and your Processor is A-OK! 

    If NOT, your processor may be damaged or not suited to your board.  In which case you should try a different board or verify that your processor is capable of being handled on the board.  Consult the manufacturer website to make 100% sure.

    Also make sure you're not in need of a BIOS update becaue you have have an early shipping model of your motherboard.  (This is why we leave our old computers running, even if we need a few of their components for the new one!!!)

    If it DOES BOOT, CONGRATULATIONS!!!!  You're now a system builder.  Slowly transfer your handiwork to your case and start adding components and rebooting to test functionality until you get to add your optical drives and your HDDs (Hard Disk Drives) until you're ready to load your OS of choice.

    OS Loading and recognizing SATA Drives on boot is a whole 'nother guide.

    I'm just giving you the building blocks of the first stage to make sure you have the know how to get the system running early.  As long as that's working everything else will come after.


    ADDENDUM 1

    ADVANCED INSTALLATION OF HSF by Kaosdad008

    The biggest "gotcha" in all of this is the whole heatsink/fan deal.  Folks have to understand that there are as many different combos & types as there are CPU types.  However, as different as they look, they fall in to three categories:

    1) Screw in - this is the easiest.  At the bottom of the heatsink are four philips head screws (two each side) - line those up with the holes on the mobo and use a screw driver to attach - like MaddOps said - firm - not crushingly tight.  You're done!

    2) Clip Lock - this may be hardest one.  Basically the CPU socket has two protrusions on it, opposite each other.  The heat sink will have a clip running through it, the ends are bent downwards 90 degrees and have punchouts that match the socket protrusions.  Loop one end over one of the pritrusions, then press the other down on the other protrusion.  This should be done on a softer, static free pad as there will be some pressure applied.

    3) Twist Lock - at the four corners of the heatsink are white plastic pop-screws.  After installing the CPU place the mobo on padded static mat, put a flat head scredriver in the slot of the first pop-screw, press until it "pops" then twist about 45 - 90 degrees int he direction of the arrow (usually to the right).  Then go to the opposit corner and do the same, repeat.  Each one will become progrssively more difficult as the pressure increases.

    Sometimes you won't know if you got the whole heatsink/fan thing right until you fire up the server.  If you got it wrong the machine will run for a while, then crap out/reboot.  The reboot cycle will be shorter each time as the CPU retains more & more heat.  Unfortunatly, the only fix is to dis-asseble the lot & reseat the heat sink.  Please do NOT try and re-seat the heatsink whilst the mobo is in the case - you'll crack the mobo.

     

     

     


    PC/Network Tech. Former Factory Tech for HP/Compaq. MCSA Since 2003. Custom Builder since 2000
  •  04-10-2007, 5:17 PM 11709 in reply to 8496

    Re: System Building Basic Guide - Building From Scratch

    Great Post! I vote this be stickied so that people can easily get this information. Any help mods?

  •  04-10-2007, 5:55 PM 11948 in reply to 11709

    Re: System Building Basic Guide - Building From Scratch

    i love it!

     

    STICKY! 


    Benjamin J Rydzewski
    Wireless Technician
    Cisco Systems
  •  04-10-2007, 6:22 PM 12115 in reply to 8496

    Re: System Building Basic Guide - Building From Scratch

    a few small edits:

     

    #1 you don't have to hear that static zap in order to have enough static built up to fry hardware... you may not feel or hear any zap and it can fry the memory, motherboard or other exposed circuit boards

     #2 some hardware depending on your build can only be assembled inside the case such as video, sound and expansion cards (unless testing). In some cases you need to get the fans, hard drive and other things installed before the board is installed due to space restrictions.

     
    #4 thermals are different for each processor so it depends on which one you have determines how you apply it. The spread out technique you mentioned works well for socket 939 and AM2 whereas Socket 775 needs either a rice grain size dab in the middle or a slim line down the middle about the width of a slightly worn #2 pencil drawing a line. With both, place the HSF (don't lock it down yet) on the core and twist it back and forth to spread it out some. Pull it off to make sure it spread out evenly and very thin.

     
    #7 for a modern system that includes at least 1 hard drive, disc drive, video card, sound card.. it is suggested minimum 500W. If you have a nVidia 8800 or ATi X1950Pro then start at 600W. If you have SLI or Crossfire, start at 800W.

    Also be sure that you buy a power supply that is set right for your motherboard. A) Some power supplies are only 20-pin and most recent motherboards are 24-pin. B) Same can be said for older systems, they use the 20-pin but your newer PSU may be 24 pin. The system will boot either way but it is not suggest for very long period of time for A but should be no problems for long periods of time for B. 

    #10 any system built in the past 2-3 years should recognize a USB keyboard and mouse from the BIOS. If it is AthlonXP or Socket 478 or older, no guarantees. If the BIOS does not recognize the USB mouse/keyboard then you may have a bad onboard USB header.

    Also the Insert key works for very few systems. Use the power button on the front of the case provided the header is hooked to the mobo.
     


    PC Tech
    20 years experience
  •  04-10-2007, 7:05 PM 12431 in reply to 8496

    Re: System Building Basic Guide - Building From Scratch

    I'm glad I read this. Always wanted to try and build my own, and this will help that process a little (after lots of research) Yes
  •  04-10-2007, 7:30 PM 12572 in reply to 12115

    Re: System Building Basic Guide - Building From Scratch

    great post. very helpful

    Alex
  •  04-10-2007, 8:48 PM 12966 in reply to 12572

    Re: System Building Basic Guide - Building From Scratch

    I presume you were not talking about an 8088 with DOS 3.3.Cool Great Post Very informative.
  •  04-10-2007, 10:27 PM 13370 in reply to 8496

    Re: System Building Basic Guide - Building From Scratch

    WOW. That is some great info. To bad this was not here before i built my system. This should go on the Newegg website for people who do not know how to build computers. Infact this should be everywhere! Great job.Yes

    hot pocket
  •  04-11-2007, 12:32 PM 16059 in reply to 8496

    Re: System Building Basic Guide - Building From Scratch

    Thanks for the insite.  Well done.  I am looking forward to my first build and have been doing the research for several months.  Your tips are helpful.
  •  04-11-2007, 12:48 PM 16160 in reply to 8496

    Re: System Building Basic Guide - Building From Scratch

    Good job!

     

    I think that it would be nice if NewEgg had a small library of guides such as these.  You could contribute to making this site a terrific resource.

     

    Thanks for your efforts and sharing.

  •  04-11-2007, 2:11 PM 16649 in reply to 12115

    Re: System Building Basic Guide - Building From Scratch

    mdkzr:

    a few small edits:

     

    #1 you don't have to hear that static zap in order to have enough static built up to fry hardware... you may not feel or hear any zap and it can fry the memory, motherboard or other exposed circuit boards

    [Yes that is true.  I forget at what voltage level "audible" Zaps occur at but at that point damage is almost guaranteed.  I forget what the old Quantum video said.]

     #2 some hardware depending on your build can only be assembled inside the case such as video, sound and expansion cards (unless testing). In some cases you need to get the fans, hard drive and other things installed before the board is installed due to space restrictions.

    [While true, this comes LONG after we're making sure everything is working.]

    #4 thermals are different for each processor so it depends on which one you have determines how you apply it. The spread out technique you mentioned works well for socket 939 and AM2 whereas Socket 775 needs either a rice grain size dab in the middle or a slim line down the middle about the width of a slightly worn #2 pencil drawing a line. With both, place the HSF (don't lock it down yet) on the core and twist it back and forth to spread it out some. Pull it off to make sure it spread out evenly and very thin.

    [Pick your own poison here folks. I don't really think Intel made the best decision by going to a round heatsink. Leaves too much of the die uncovered.  Thanks MDKZR for hitting this with the Intel Angle.] 

    #7 for a modern system that includes at least 1 hard drive, disc drive, video card, sound card.. it is suggested minimum 500W. If you have a nVidia 8800 or ATi X1950Pro then start at 600W. If you have SLI or Crossfire, start at 800W.

    [Good Guideline. Volts * Amps = Watts.  So if you know the values on all your stuff, add it up and go for a PSUP that will suit you.]

    Also be sure that you buy a power supply that is set right for your motherboard. A) Some power supplies are only 20-pin and most recent motherboards are 24-pin. B) Same can be said for older systems, they use the 20-pin but your newer PSU may be 24 pin. The system will boot either way but it is not suggest for very long period of time for A but should be no problems for long periods of time for B. 

    [A: They make Adapters for 20 Pin to 24 Pin. B: Usually the extra 4 pins come attached and can be separated.  Or, they do make a 24 Pin to 20 Pin Adapter]

    #10 any system built in the past 2-3 years should recognize a USB keyboard and mouse from the BIOS. If it is AthlonXP or Socket 478 or older, no guarantees. If the BIOS does not recognize the USB mouse/keyboard then you may have a bad onboard USB header.

    [Legacy Ports or PS/2 Ports work every time.  I wait for USB testing after Windows Install Yes]

    Also the Insert key works for very few systems. Use the power button on the front of the case provided the header is hooked to the mobo.

    [INSERT in my experience works with ABIT and a few others.  If you're on a factory HP or COMPAQ Box it's ESC. Consult your manual to see if there is any thing specific to your brand of motherboard.]
     

    MDZKR thanks for the helpful adds!  I've added a few more comments.

    But for any more specific topics, windows, or "my system does this when I turn it on" should go to the help forums.

    I'd hate for anything to get lost in here. And if posting a help question stay away from "I'm Fustrated" "Problem" "Help ME" and above all, don't forget to use the search function. 


    PC/Network Tech. Former Factory Tech for HP/Compaq. MCSA Since 2003. Custom Builder since 2000
  •  04-29-2007, 9:34 PM 40601 in reply to 16649

    Re: System Building Basic Guide - Building From Scratch

    THANK YOU!!! I've been frying my brain for 2 weeks trouble shooting what had gone wrong during my build.

    And then I read this post, it was like having my hands untied, what did I learn?

     Heatsink not properly seated causes the system to keep turning off and each reboot the time is shorter & shorter.

    My clip things were giving me trouble and I had to much thermal grease.

    So I started over using this guide, first power up instant success!!!    Wooo Hoooo!

    You guys rock.
     


    2 Core Duo E6600 4 G's of DDR2
    Radeon 1650xl pro hdmi Anthlon ATX
    Trio 650w PSU
    ABIT AB9 Pro
    2 RAID configured 160G WD Sata II 3.0
  •  05-20-2007, 8:43 AM 57051 in reply to 40601

    Re: System Building Basic Guide - Building From Scratch

    thanks should help me next time

     


    X-blade gaming case
    ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe
    AMD Athlon 64 3200
    CORSAIR XMS 1.5 MB
    eVGA-Geforce 6800GT -PCI Express x16
    THERMALTAKE Silent PurePower -ATX 480W
    Western Digital Caviar 80.gb
  •  05-29-2007, 1:17 AM 64649 in reply to 8496

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    awesome...of great help...it has been sticky'ed

  •  06-19-2007, 1:06 PM 83523 in reply to 8496

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  •  06-19-2007, 7:48 PM 83798 in reply to 8496

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    very cool man thanks
  •  06-19-2007, 11:38 PM 84129 in reply to 8496

    Re: System Building Basic Guide - Building From Sc

     Thank you for a entertaining   read. I am in the middle of my second build and found this most helpful. {Plus I like your jokes}   I have learned so much by reading what regular folks have to say on here and  the reviews at New Egg.       

    Thanks Again      "What's Time to a Pig" 

    Cuggie 


    "What's
    Time to a Pig"?
  •  06-20-2007, 11:25 AM 84587 in reply to 8496

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    Looks like I am in the right place at the right time (unlike my first three marriages).  Great help for a FTB- first time builder.  This should go a long way in preventing/solving problems.  TY.
  •  06-20-2007, 7:22 PM 84969 in reply to 84587