EggXpert

...I can't seem to get this to work. I have a netgear router and each Rosewill works fine as server or client with it, but the two Rosewill units won't work with each other. Any hints???

Thanks in advance... 

you need a crossover cable to go between the 2 rosewills probably.  Does the light come on?  if it doesn't, i got money on you need a crossover cable.  

What may work though, is to have each rosewill with their own wire back to the netgear.  Seems the netgear has the MDI MDI-X in it.  So that way may work. 

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Espina:

  Any hints??? 

as Kunzy indicated, you would need a route between them, either with a cable, or a static RIP route.

How close are these Routers ?  If they are close enough to daisy-chain, why do you feel that three are necessary ?

Tallon41

...hmmm the lights come on OK. Just no internet. Not to confuse things, but the final plans are Rosewill-Rosewill-wrt54L (sveasoft). The linksys unit will be POE'd at the end of the line but I can put a hub next to the middle router if crossover or not is an issue.

Espina:

...hmmm the lights come on OK. Just no internet. Not to confuse things, but the final plans are Rosewill-Rosewill-wrt54L (sveasoft). The linksys unit will be POE'd at the end of the line but I can put a hub next to the middle router if crossover or not is an issue.

Unless you actually need the additional routing, then do not plugg into the INERNET or WAN port of the two Rosewills....they then will become switches, and will have internet....otherwise they'd need static routes (RIP,) to the Gateway Router (Linksys WRT54L)

you would instead

Rosewill------\/

------------------Linksys 

Rosewill-------/\

[PS: you'd still need a static rout from each Rosewill to the Linksys, unless you don't mind double-NAT'ing]

[bah....misread POE as PPPoE !  LOL.....so WHICHEVER one is the Gateway Router, the other two would plug-into it.]

...the three routers cover a commercial building with my office, store and flat in different areas . I can reconfigure the IP addys of one router if that's the problem. However, the Rosewill manual gave me the impression that they would switch from server to client automatically. (as the Netgear unit does)

Thanks for the quick responses!!! 

Espina:

However, the Rosewill manual gave me the impression that they would switch from server to client automatically. (as the Netgear unit does)

Tallon41

"cover three areas".....OK, then you are talking about WIRELESS coverage arn't you ?    There can be only 1 Gateway router.....you should not be using Routers for the other two areas.....Wireless Access Points are what is needed there.  If this indeed is what you are doing, then my second post is correct.  For the two Routers that DO NOT connect to the INTERNET modem.....The Ethernet cable should NOT be in the INTERNET or WAN port....place it in one of the switch ports. 

Tallon41

...the Rosewill units are "RNX-g40"s. And, yes this is a wireless network. Here are the tools that I have to work with: Two Rosewill RNX-G40, a Netgear 614, a Fonera, an SMC ethernet hub, and a linksys wrt54g. I'll configure it whatever way that will work except the linksys can't be the gateway as it's the only unit that will work with the WAP-POE. It doesn't matter to me if I use a Rosewill or the Netgear as a gateway. 

Espina:

It doesn't matter to me if I use a Rosewill or the Netgear as a gateway.

You will need to be able to reach them with cables.

Tallon41:

If this indeed is what you are doing, then my second post is correct.  For the two Routers that DO NOT connect to the INTERNET modem.....The Ethernet cable should NOT be in the INTERNET or WAN port....place it in one of the switch ports. 

ISP Modem-----(internet port)Gateway Router---(switch ports)All other devices(switch ports)Hosts[client PCs]

1. You need to set the IP addresses of all your routers to make sure they are not using any in common[the two Rosewills definately will do this.]  They will also need to be on the same network as the Gateway Router(GR)  [e.g. 192.168.0.1 Netgear likes this one...so put the others on 192.168.0.2; 192.168.0.3 etc....]
2. You will likely need to configure the wireless channel etc, and Encryption settings before you connect them to the network [SAVE the configuration files. You also should be able to load the 1st Roswill's config file into the 2nd Rosewill Router....save some hassle in case you ever need to do a hard-reset of any of them ! ]
3. Avoid plugging all of the "Routers" (now just switches,) into the Hub, and then the hub into the GR.  Although "neat," it forces all users to utilize the bandwidth of a single port on the GR.  Instead plug as many of the other R/switches, into a port on the GR, as you can; and if you do run-out of ports, then remove one, plug-in the Hub and connect any remaining devices into it.
4.  Recommend you use Static IP assignments for your wireless clients, but you can use DHCP.  I have seen these kinds of networks experience occasional difficulty getting IP assignments from the DHCP server in the GR.  Using Static IP's will eliminate that, but is more work for the Network Administrator, (you?)

If you want to keep them all as a "routing" device, there is a way to do it, it's just even more complex.  If you want to do this, here's how :

Gateway Router

Internet settings -- [not sure what IPS settings you need...DHCP, PPPoE...you likely know this already.]

LAN settings.  192.168.0.1  DHCP on   10-25

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Other Routers [you DO use the INTERNET or WAN port on the other Routers using this method.]

Internet settings :  DHCP  [each will get an IP between  192.168.0.10 and 192.168.0.25

LAN settings:  IP address Manually assigned by you... 192.168.1.1  then change it by one in the last group for the other Routers.  DHCP = ON  to avoid IP conflicts, assign each area a different host range  50-100, 101-150, 151-199 some Routers base this starting point on the IP address of the Router, so it's OK if the Router has 192.168.1.100 or 192.168.1.150 as it's IP address, you won't need that man host IPs I'm sure.

the DNS info in each should either be, the IP's given by your ISP, or the IP address of the Gateway Router.

This setup uses Double-NAT'ing, and as such, will cause problems for any attempt to create a VPN tunnel.  Static RIP routes between the Routers will be needed if you wish to setup VPNs.

Tallon41

LAN settings:  IP address Manually assigned by you... 192.168.1.1  then change it by one in the last group for the other Routers.  DHCP = ON  to avoid IP conflicts, assign each area a different host range  50-100, 101-150, 151-199 some Routers base this starting point on the IP address of the Router, so it's OK if the Router has 192.168.1.100 or 192.168.1.150 as it's IP address, you won't need that man host IPs I'm sure.

so the next router will be 192.168.1.2 ?? And SSID, Passwords & Wireless channels must match or no???

Thanks for the detailed reply: 

Espina:

so the next router will be 192.168.1.2 ?? And SSID, Passwords & Wireless channels must match or no???

they should be in AP-mode, and it is good you selected that.  As for the above.  the network is 192.168.1.0, so the 4th octet is where you have to use different values for each device [whether it be a Router or Host PC they must be different.]  I tend to keep Network Routers at x.x.x.10 or below, but it really is up to you.  *IF* you will be using just the switch ports on the other Routers, the number is not important, only that it is unique.  If you will be using it as a Router, then it CAN depend on the DHCP server fields you can change.  As I mentioned in prior post, some Router firmware do not let you specify the DHCP range very much, others let you configure most anything regarding DHCP.  In order to get the Router to one of the three "ranges" I mentioned in the last post, you might be "forced" to assign the Router IP at the beginin of that "range", and that won't be a problem.

As to the Encryption method, you should use the same WPA/WPA2 TKIP.  I have seen some Routers default to channel 6.  If you do a "view available wireless networks" and see more than a few networks(other than your three,) then you might want to choose a different channel.

SSID etc the same will be fine if the areas are far enough apart.  If a Host's wireless adapter is getting about the same signal strength from 2 of your areas they will likely have issues.  This is because the Router is not really a Wireless Access Point and cannot do WDS or bridging.  You will have to try it and see.  If you do have some users who cannot seem to stay connected to the same wireless access point, you may need to invest in true WAPs.

Tallon41

Your welcome, and COOKIES are always welcome ! 

The only thing to remember about using different SSIDs & channels etc...is that you cannot move 'seemlessly' from one area to another.  Like with a laptop for example.  Desktops are fairly stationary by nature, but laptops move about.  Most business usually do not like the lost connection and re-aquiring a new AP.....if you start to get complaints about that, just remember that it IS solvable with more hardware approx cost $225-$300 for WAPs that will Mesh or WDS.  They may just decide to "live with" the problem !  lol

Tallon41

For WDS some MFRs equipment will only WDS with others of it's kind (some only the eggxact same model,) so beware.

If the other is so glitchy, check with the MFRs website for a firmware update.  I had a no name WAP once like that....no modes other than the default would work using the Firmware it shipped-with.  After I updated the Firmware, everything worked great.

Tallon41