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core i7 920 vs q9550 for gaming.

Last post 11-23-2008, 11:34 PM by CheapAsianGamerGuy. 31 replies.
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  •  11-18-2008, 12:14 PM 425546

    core i7 920 vs q9550 for gaming.

    which should i go for?

    and will i be able to overclock like this?

    http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTU4NSwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==


    System Specs
    Budget:$2300VGA:VisionTek Radeon HD 4870 X2Monitor:LG W2452T-TF 24"
    MB:ASUS P6T DeluxeOS:vista 64/ xp pro 32Browser:opera
    CPU:Intel Core i7 920Sound:onboardCPU Pps:gaming
    Memory:CORSAIR XMS3 6GB DDR3 1600PSU:CORSAIR CMPSU-750TXBrand:?
    HD:Seagate Barracuda ST3500320AS Cooling:Misc:nan

  •  11-18-2008, 12:18 PM 425550 in reply to 425546

    Re: core i7 920 vs q9550 for gaming.

    If you've got that kind of money to spend, then it might be worth it to go with i7.
  •  11-18-2008, 12:21 PM 425555 in reply to 425550

    Re: core i7 920 vs q9550 for gaming.

    if i want it to be stable at 3.8 ghz, can i just use a tuniq tower?

  •  11-18-2008, 12:23 PM 425558 in reply to 425546

    Re: core i7 920 vs q9550 for gaming.

    The i7 and the q9550 are about the same price I think but the motherboard for the I7 start at 220 and there are only 9 choices right now on Newegg.  i7 is faster from the benchmarks I've seen and would be the better choice if you have the money.  It has a new socket and 775 might be on it's way out.  If you are going to spend 1000+ then I would go with i7 but if not then go with q9550.  I'm not an expert at this stuff but I am currently in the same situation as you and am leaning toward i7 920 even though the motherboard and ddr3 memory costs more.
  •  11-18-2008, 12:26 PM 425565 in reply to 425558

    Re: core i7 920 vs q9550 for gaming.

    read my build list.

    notice the "budget: $2300"


  •  11-18-2008, 12:39 PM 425582 in reply to 425565

    Re: core i7 920 vs q9550 for gaming.

    Almost all of the heatsinks out right now are not compatible with core i7. Adapter kits and new heatsinks are on the way.
  •  11-18-2008, 12:43 PM 425583 in reply to 425582

    Re: core i7 920 vs q9550 for gaming.

    wont be buying till christmas.

  •  11-18-2008, 1:09 PM 425598 in reply to 425583

    Re: core i7 920 vs q9550 for gaming.

    if you got time and money than i say go for it. i priced both X48 and X58 system and the only thing you loose is 1GB of memory for the price.  But this will let you upgrade later on as i read rumores that 775 production will stop in December. plus the biggest advantage to going 1366 is when the second half of 2009 start intel going to release there 8 core chips.  Plus the board you choose allows for 16/16/1 for the video card.  get a second X4870X2 and go crazy at full 1080P gaming.

  •  11-18-2008, 2:25 PM 425641 in reply to 425598

    Re: core i7 920 vs q9550 for gaming.

    yup. im getting 6 gigs for triple channeling.

  •  11-18-2008, 2:42 PM 425649 in reply to 425641

    Re: core i7 920 vs q9550 for gaming.

    Go for the i7.  It won't need a Aftermarket Cooler for some time as somebody overclocked the 920 to 4.0 ghz on air alone.

    i c
  •  11-18-2008, 2:50 PM 425659 in reply to 425641

    Re: core i7 920 vs q9550 for gaming.

    I would advise you to go with the i7 and X58 mobo but with that budget go with the 940 CPU and I noted that you did not list a case so do you have 1 already or haven't made up your mind yet.Whistler

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  •  11-18-2008, 3:34 PM 425681 in reply to 425659

    Re: core i7 920 vs q9550 for gaming.

    the 940 is 200 more for .34 ghz faster speed.

    everything else is the same/


  •  11-18-2008, 4:56 PM 425732 in reply to 425681

    Re: core i7 920 vs q9550 for gaming.

    konata:

    the 940 is 200 more for .34 ghz faster speed.

    everything else is the same/

     

    Just stick with a 920 and overclock it to 4 GHz on air.  Saves you alot of money.

     

    But you should wait.  Newegg dropped the price on it's 920 by $10, and it'll keep going down until it hits $284 as Intel wants I think.  


    i c
  •  11-19-2008, 5:16 AM 425961 in reply to 425732

    Re: core i7 920 vs q9550 for gaming.

    Just make sure your cooling is sufficient for overclocking, because the i7 runs real hot when is overclocked. 

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  •  11-19-2008, 9:07 AM 426035 in reply to 425659

    Re: core i7 920 vs q9550 for gaming.

    konata:
    if i want it to be stable at 3.8 ghz, can i just use a tuniq tower?

     

    If you could get one that was compatible with LGA 1366 Yes.. Of Course

    NewEgg has not been focused on getting the Heatsinks etc.. in but there are others that have limited stock of LGA 1366 Heatsinks

    This might change by a month from now.. but right now...

     

     

    wuzzuh:
    Go for the i7.  It won't need a Aftermarket Cooler for some time as somebody overclocked the 920 to 4.0 ghz on air alone.

     

    This won't happen without an aftermarket heatsink.... the stock heatsink will only allow about 3.0 Ghz.. ish



    HOGHAULER:
    I would advise you to go with the i7 and X58 mobo but with that budget go with the 940 CPU and I noted that you did not list a case so do you have 1 already or haven't made up your mind yet.Whistler

     

    The higher multiplier is not quite as important with the new platform.

     

    Instead of the FSB Nehalem uses a reference clock like AMD, but its at 133Mhz and not 200Mhz.
    This reference clock is multiplied to create all clocks inside the CPU:

    Bclock x CPU Multiplier = CPU Clock (12-256)
    Bclock x QPI Multiplier = QPI Clock (18, 24)
    Bclock x Uncore Multiplier = Uncore Clock (10-30)
    Uncore clock / Memory Divider = Memory clock

    If you have an XE cpu its all easy, you just change the CPU Multiplier to increase the CPU Clockspeed, thats it...
    If you dont have cpu multiplier access, then things get a bit tricky
    You need to push up the Bclock, which is related to all other clocks though... so when you increase the Bclock you overclock every part of the processor.
    QPI, Uncore and the memory controller/memory.

    You dont really want to overclock QPI though...
    Just like HyperTransport QPI is way overpowered for a Desktop system and only really useful for Servers, and you wont see any notable improvements from clocking the QPI bus higher. So while overclocking it wont really give you any benefits, thats what you have to do if you want to overclock your cpu via the Bclock.

    It usually maxes out at around 8GT/s, which is around 4Ghz, and as you have seen from the details above, there are only 2 multipliers you can select unfortunately, which will limit your overclocks on Bclock for the 920 and 940 parts. The lowest multiplier you can select is 18. If you do the math, that means you will be limited to a Bclock of 222. That is IF you processor and board can run 4Ghz QPI... some cant run that high...

    Now about Uncore, Uncore is the L3 cache and memory controller, and its powered not by Vcore, but by VTT. I guess Intel couldn't decide what to call this part of the cpu and then went for Uncore which pretty much means its not the core... not very creative, but it gets the job done
    Im sure youve seen many if not all mainboard manufacturers using one or two or even 4 phases of a CPU PWM to power the VTT. While on Core2 VTT consumed around 10-15W and you could use a basic PWM to feed it, it now needs double that power, around 30W, and when your overclocking, even more, naturally...

    With all that being said, the $ 300.00 could be spent in more productive ways. Like Half a SSD Drive, or a Pair of WD VR150's

    The ROG Motherboard might allow Multiplier Unlock of the lower chips, like they did with LGA 775  that would make the more expensive MOBO a Value being able to set Multi..beyond the Locked Parameters...

    I have been looking for a better more in-depth review of ASUS ROG's in LGA 1366 but have not found a decent review.


  •  11-19-2008, 12:02 PM 426166 in reply to 425649

    Re: core i7 920 vs q9550 for gaming.

    wuzzuh:
    Go for the i7.  It won't need a Aftermarket Cooler for some time as somebody overclocked the 920 to 4.0 ghz on air alone.

    lol...seems you fund the same web page i did. thank god for the brits...and the greats thing is that its the same board and chip that konata going to get so he already has nice path scouted for him.  all he needs with his order is the Thermalright Ultra-120 eXtreme-1366 RT or the Noctua NH-I12P that they used and a god case to go with it.

    when i order mine i think im going to have to save the 100 from the board and try the MSI (even thought it burned during the tests)....hopefully thought by the time konata and i order these suckers the price will go down and my MSI issues become corrected.


  •  11-19-2008, 2:21 PM 426250 in reply to 426166

    Re: core i7 920 vs q9550 for gaming.

    I figure that MSI would have a low reliability rate, even now. 

    i c
  •  11-20-2008, 3:03 PM 427080 in reply to 425546

    Re: core i7 920 vs q9550 for gaming.

    Since the title of your thread begs the question: Why do you want the new i7? All the architecture improvements in the new generation have been in more efficient threading, and there are only a handful of games that make use of a quad. My advice would be to get a e8600 (which can be overclocked to 4.5ghz) if gaming is your aim, since cpu clock speed is all that matters. Just look at the gaming benchmarks on Toms hardware, and compare the quads to the e8600. All of the reviews show at most a 13% boost in the gaming benchmarks.
  •  11-20-2008, 5:15 PM 427155 in reply to 426166

    Re: core i7 920 vs q9550 for gaming.

    im getting this mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131351

  •  11-21-2008, 4:34 AM 427330 in reply to 427155

    Re: core i7 920 vs q9550 for gaming.

    For gaming purposes, 1366 and 775 parts are the same.

    i7 CPU's show marked performance advantage in heavy multithreading apps and virtualization applications (Go VMWare!)

    If you're just gaming, an i7 and Q9550 are both a waste of cash, as most games struggle to fully utilize 2 cores, much less 4...

    To the user who "read that 775 production stops in December", I call BS.
    Its 2008 and I can still get Socket 478 parts if I really felt like it.

    Intel will begin a slow drawdown of LGA 775 part production when LGA 1156 parts are released and begin supplanting 775 in the midrange/enthusiast portion of the market.

    Right now you have 1366 creating a new pricepoint for itself, and you'll slowly see high end 775 parts drop in price over the next few  months.

    I personally do not see a end of (mass) production for 775 parts until at LEAST a year after 1156 hits market in *Q3 2009*.

    Socket changeovers do NOT take place "overnight". And 775 will remain in production (at least for low end commodity PC's) well into 2009/2010. If you need a 775 part 3 or 4 years from now, you'll likely still be able to get them new, just maybe not the exact model you want.

    Not to mention that splitting the socket to 1366 and 1156 is a very risky (AMD-like) move for intel. And the future of Intel's CPU roadmap is indeed quite murky. (2 year socket changeovers like AMD from now on??)
     


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  •  11-21-2008, 11:29 PM 428016 in reply to 427330

    Re: core i7 920 vs q9550 for gaming.

    It isn't just murky, but annoying as well.

    It's hard choosing whether to shoot the gun and go on the 1366 boat, or wait for 1156, then find out later that 1156 is gonna be useless when Westmere rolls on out. 


    i c
  •  11-22-2008, 9:04 PM 428386 in reply to 428016

    Re: core i7 920 vs q9550 for gaming.

    either im going to get a 22, a q9550, and a 4870 or a 24, a 17 920, and a 4870x2.

    which should i go for?